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Will Lithuania have his unique units? religion? Size on the map? :cheers:
Here (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?t=1553) you have an answer ;)
What about Lithuania unique units? Cavalery? Even in Lithuanian's blazon is a horseman?
many nations have no unique unit. There was big lobby for Lithuanian one, but not succesfull... maybe in KoH expansion... who knows.
I think all nations should have his unique units somethiig like in age of empires II :sick:
that aint possible cuz it was widely used
where i can see later periods map? :sick:
no i mean lets say some countrys uniqeu unit if everone had one that wouldnt be fair cuz such units often were used in other countrys to
where i can see later periods map? :sick:here (http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/medium/3_Knights01.jpg) , originally announced by Angryminer
Lithuanian blazon is a horseman with sword not a standing horse!!!!
pls take look http://www.ipc.lt/wg/php/images15/vitis2.jpg :sick:
sure it is...
but when you look at this one, it's too small to have rider painted on the horseback. We can't ask the devs for such details. Some kingdoms have even further blazons (f.e. Denmark, Kiev, Muscovy, Sweden, Hungary) I prefere moving their flags closer to historical accurancy from fixing such details.
PS: and you forgot shield?
Also... I would say that Bohemian lion has 2 tails and golden crown on his head, not like here (http://www.knights-of-honor.net//english/screenshot.php?screenshot=0125&all=0130|0129|0128|0127|0126|0125|0124|0123|0122#) Also England has golden lions instead of silver ones, Burgundy has red frame all around the shield and many more... But those are just details, not so important. There are many more important things to be fixed instead..
But not a one horse. there should be a warior siting on it! sth like this! http://www.ipc.lt/wg/php/images15/vitis2.jpg :hello:
http://www.arkliomuziejus.lt/Viskas_apie_arkli/paveikslai/vytis_m.jpg not all details must be bust the horseman should!
mate, you have horse without a rider...
Denmark has red raven on silver shield instead of 3 blue lions on golden one
Kiev has black/blue shield with golden crown instead of golden "trident" symbol on blue
Sweden has one crown instead of 3
Hungary has just one half of it's blazon
some others have completely diferent blazons....
just have look at here (http://www.knights-of-honor.net//english/screenshot.php?screenshot=0118&all=0121|0120|0119|0118|0117|0116|0115|0114|0113#)
I found there 20 almost right blazons, Lithuanian included
Absolutely wrong ones are f.e. Portugal, Ukraine, Slejuks, Muscovy, Armenia, Castilia, Denmark, POmerania, Sweden, Serbia, Venice...
have look ate here (http://www.ngw.nl/indexgb.htm) and compare...
In comparison to those, Lithuania is very accurate!
omg who cares about historical accurate flags? not me:D
as long as the units etc are correct
well, horse is not a horseman. That is a fact. So I would not call Lithuanian Coat of Arms an accurate one...
And omitting Lithuanian unique unit really ruins it for me. It becomes just another RTS with overhyped units, such as cataphracts, longbowmen, boyars, vikings... Nothing new.
Yes,why Devs do not want to make a special unit(s) for Lithuania? Grand Duchy of Lithuania was a really big country and it must have an own unit. It would be really great thing. And for me it would be nice if that unit is a horseman, unique Lithuanian horseman. ;)
Angryminer
17-08-2004, 22:41
Either the slavonic axemen stay in the unit showcase and lithuanians get their lithuanian cavalry or the slavonic axemen go search for a new job and lithuania sticks with the light cavalry.
Just my two cents.
Angryminer
Finellach
17-08-2004, 23:45
Elvain Hungary should have ancient Hungarian CoA of Arpad family. The one with the double cross came later instead of Arpad CoA and in the modern era they fused the two CoA's so what you are taling about is a modern CoA of Hungary.
Hungarian CoA is essentially right though there is a small mistake, the lines shouldn't be diagonal but parallel.
Btw. to comment the CoA's on this screen ==> CoA's (http://www.knights-of-honor.net//english/screenshot.php?screenshot=0118&all=0121|0120|0119|0118|0117|0116|0115|0114|0113#)
I will comment European CoA's because I don't know much about Arabian and Muslim CoA...I am not sure they had any anyway.
Athens - CoA should be blue backround with figure of goodess Athena who should be whole white
Brittany - the CoA should not be chechered but this --> http://www.ngw.nl/int/fra/dept/images/bretagne.jpg
Epir - it should be light blue backround with black two-headed eagle
Georgia - CoA of Georgia should be St.George on the hrose killing the dragon or some other beast. I don't think Georgia ever used any CoA. Good idea would be to make CoA of Georgia cross of St. George. Colours fictional.
Ireland - blue backround and golden harp
Latins(Latin Empire) -this CoA is good. It is CoA of Latin Kingdom of Morea or Achaea.
Naples - Current CoA is rampant blakc horse rising on his two back feet. This is the traditional(ancient) CoA of Kingdom of Naples and is good.
Novgorod - the original CoA is too complicated so I recommend two black bears turned to each other on white(upper colour) and light blue backround(lower colour). I suggest black bear standing on blue-white backround
Ryzan - should be yellow backround with a man(not sure if it's a saint) dressed in green with red cloak and sword in the hand. Maybe too complicated...
Serbia - white cross with four C's (this is S in cyrillic); almost identical to the original Byzantine.
Teutonic Knigts - basically this CoA is OK although it is actually CoA of Cologne(Koln). TO CoA should be yellow cross with black lining on white backround and with black eagle in the middle.
Venice - CoA should be blue backround with lion of St.Marc holding the twn commands.
Antioch - yellow backround with red cross
Bulgarian - purple backround with three gold lions
Cyprus - blue backround with white cross
Germany - is Ok
Italy - red backround with white cross
Leon - is ok, maybe lion shuould be purple since the one with the red lion is modern one, but it's ok.
Navarra - it should be red backround with famous Navarran chain
Poland - is ok
Saloniki - Honestly I don't know. :D
Sicily - is ok
Trebzonid - should be white backround with three black parallel lines
Wales - bacround colours are good but there should be a red dragon in it not golden lion
Aragon - is ok
Castilla - is ok
Denmark - should be yellow backround with three blue lions(hearts are too complicated to put in.)
France - is ok
Jerusalem - is ok
Lithuania - should be a knight wielding a sword on a red backround. White horse as it is know is identical to Kent and Lower Saxony thus incorrect.
Nicaea - should be three fleur-de-lys on black backround.
Pommerania - should be a red griffon on a white backround
Scotland - should be a red lion on a yellow backround, although this one is not so bad either although it represents the flag and is a modern one.
Sweden - should be a blue backround with thre golden crowns or three white diagonals on blue backround and golden lion on top of it.
Armenia - should be a red lion on a yello backround
Bohemia - is ok
Croatia - is ok
England - is ok
Genoa - is ok, although the cross should be over whole CoA not in manner it is now.
Hungary - colours and lines are ok, but the lines should be parallel not diagonal.
Muscovy - CoA should also be St.George killing a beast, but I suggest more simplified golden eagle on a red backround(Russian Impreial symbol).
Norway - is ok
Portugal - should be white with five blue "dots" forming a cross(simplified)
Switzerland - is ok
"Ukraine" - should be a golden triden on a light blue backround. The name should also be Kiev not "Ukraine".
Thats my view and I think it can be done.
Thanx for trying to put me on lithuanian flag. I really appreciate your thougthfulness :)
However, let's not forget that the game starts in 1000 AD. Not much is known what Lith. flag looked like at that time. It's possible that it was some version of Vytis (http://neris.mii.lt/homepage/vytis.html) (the rider). But it's also possible that it could've looked very different. Something like the flag of the old prussians (http://www.lithuanian.net/mitai/cosmos/baltai5.htm) (3 gods). It's not even known what flag was used in the XIII century when Mindaugas united the country. Maybe similar to his royal seal (http://muziejai.mch.mii.lt/Informacija/septintasis_atnaujinimas.htm) , maybe not.
So vytis is not neccessarily an accurate historical choice for Lithuania considering game's timespan. Though personally I like it :king:
As for the current white horse on a red shield flag, it's not a totaly bad choice. It might be considered a symbol (http://members.efn.org/~valdas/stanevicius.html) of Lithuania. [black bear - Samogitia and white horse - Lithuania]
You are right that in early and high periods nobody knows how lithuanian flag and blazon loked like.
There left only Mindaugas(Lith. 1 king) stamp. But we know how realy looked lithuanian flag and blazon in late
period. Usualy Lithuanian flags was marked with Vytis(raider) or sometimes Gedimino stulpais(Gediminas upright) in red background.
.In Grunvald batle Lithuanian flags were red with white Vytis and Gedimino stulpais.When Vytautas was Lithuanian
grand duke Lithuanian money was marked with Vytis. In Lithuanian Grand duke's Jogaila stamp you can see a Warior sitting on the horse and holdin a sword.
Also in Švitrigala's Vytautas' and in later rulers stamps. So it is posible that Mindaugas also used that blazon with Vytis. But about the white horse i hear first time. 8) 8) :cheers: :hello:
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