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[Whismerhil]

Hello to everybody, Happy New year!!

I have read in www.fragland.net this:

The sort of soldiers you can create is similar for each realm. But what is really nice is that there are ‘special units’ that replace their more ordinary version of unit type. The Teutonic champion for instance will replace the normal swordsman. Each country can produce their particular special unit, providing they have the right buildings in their cities. A couple of other examples: England can produce excellent longbow men, while France can create Templars and . Spain can use Camel riders . An excellent feature that adds just that little ‘more’ to this already impressive game.


Spain in those times was in a religic war, the islam against the cristians. The cristians were at the north of the Iberian Peninsula
(The first King was from Asturias, his name was Pelayo), the Moorish(islam) had invaded the south of the Iberian Peninsula , so that is the problem, in the NORTH there were not ANY moorish so there were not ANY camel riders, there were only cristian fighters.

Other point is that the North of the Iberian Peninsula its geography is quite different of the South. There are a lot of mountains, forest, the weather is wet, it rains a lot, it is like Scotland in England , the people is
Could be posible to put other different unit for the kingdoms of the north of the Iberian peninsula such us:

-"Cristian warrior"
-"cristian rebel"
-there were "templars "too
- "spanish warrior"

This would be more Real and Historical this wonderful game.

Thank you very much

[Whismerhil]

The Reconquest.(of spain)

718: Pelayo, a noble Visigoth who has been elected king, defeats the Muslim Army in Alcama in the neighbourhood of Covadonga, thus beginning the Christian Reconquest of Spain.

750: The Christians, under Alfonso I, occupy Galicia, which had been abandoned by revolting Berber troops.

778: The army of Charlemagne suffers the defeat of Roncesvalles at the hands of the Vascons; death of Roland.

791 to 842: Alfonso II conquers a number of strongholds and settles the lands south of the river Duero.

873 to 898: Wilfredo the Hairy, Count of Barcelona, sets up a Christian kingdom with a certain degree of independence from the Frankish kings.

905 to 926: Sancho I Garces creates a Basque kingdom centred on Navarre.

930 to 950: Ramiro II, king of Leon, defeats Abd al-Rahman III at Simancas, Osma and Talavera.

950 to 951: Count Fernan Gonzalez lays the foundations for the independence of Castile.

981: Ramiro III is defeated by Almansur at Rueda and is obliged to pay tribute to the Caliph of Cordova.

999 to 1018: Alfonso V of Leon reconstructs his kingdoms.

1000 to 1033: Sancho III of Navarre subdues the counties of Aragon, Sobrarbe and Ribagorza, takes possession of the County of Castile and makes an arrangement with Bermudo III of Leon with the idea of taking away his dominions from him and proclaiming himself as emperor. However, on his death, he leaves Navarre to his son Garcia III, Castile to Fernando I, and Aragon, Sobrarbe and Ribagorza to Ramiro I.

1035 to 1063: Fernando I conquers Coimbra and obliges the Muslims of Toledo, Seville and Badajoz to pay him tribute. Before his death, he shares out his territories between his sons: Castile goes to Sancho II and Leon to Alfonso VI.

1065 to 1109: Alfonso VI unites the two kingdoms under his sceptre and takes Toledo.

1086: The Christian advance ogliges the Muslim kings of Granada, Seville and Badajoz to call to their aid the Almoravides.

1102: The followers of the Cid leave Valencia and the African Muslims occupy the Peninsula as far as Saragossa (Zaragoza).

1118: Alfonso I of Aragon conquers Saragossa.

1135: Alfonso VII of Leon restores the prestige of the Leonese monarchy and is proclaimed emperor.

1151: The Almohades, another African dynasty who have displaced the Almoravides, retake Almaria.

1162: Alfonso II, son of Petronila and Ramon Berenguer IV, unites in his person the kingdom of Aragon and the County of Barcelona.

1195: The Almohades defeat the Castilians at Alarcos.

1212: Culmination of the Reconquest. Alfonso VIII of Castile, helped by Sancho VIII of Navarre, Pedro II of Aragon and some troops from Portugal and Leon, is victorious in the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa.

1229: Jaime I of Aragon, the Conqueror, reconquers Marllorca.

1230: Alfonso IX of Leon advances along the River Guadiana, takes Merida and Badajoz and opens up the way for the conquest of Seville.

1217 to 1252: Fernando III, king of Castile and Leon, conquers Cordova, Murcia, Jaen and Seville. Granada remains as the sole independent Muslim kingdom.

1252 to 1284: Alfonso X the Wise continues the reconquest and is obliged to face the 'Mudejar' revolts of Andalusia and Murcia. He seeks election as emperor of the Holy Roman Empire in 1257. Alfonso X drafts the 'Fuero de las Leyes', the forerunner of the 'Siete Partidas'.

1284: An assembly of nobles, prelates and citizens depose Alfonso X and hand over power to his son Sancho IV.

1309: Fernando IV takes Gibraltar.

1312 to 1350: Alfonso XI fights the kingdom of Granada for 25 years and in 1340 wins the battle of Rio Salado.

1369: Pedro I the Cruel is murdered in Montiel by his half brother Enrique de Trastamara, who then governs as Enrique II.

1385: The Portuguese defeat the Castilians in Aljubarrota.

1464: Enrique IV of Castile names as heir to the throne his sister, the future Isabel I, the Catholic, and disinherits his daughter Juana, nicknamed 'La Beltraneja'.

1469: Isabel I of Castile and Fernando II of Aragon are married, thus cunsummating the unity of Spain.

1492: The Catholic Monarchs, Isabel and Fernando, complete the Reconquest by taking Granada (January 2nd), taking advantage of the rivalry of the last Muslim governors of Spain. Discovery of America (October 12th).

[Whismerhil]

Here is a map:



http://staff.esuhsd.org/~balochie/studentprojects/moorchristian/moorinvasionres/map.jpg

And here is a description of the regions of that times from "www.houseofnames.com":

REGIONS OF SPAIN:

Aragon, which is a region of northeastern Spain in the Iberian peninsula. Aragon has a proud cultural heritage and its own unique language. In 1137, the regions of Aragon and Catalonia united to form the Crown of Aragon, whose illustrious line of kings led the reconquest of the eastern peninsula from the Muslims. The Crown of Aragon extended its Mediterranean empire with the recapture of Mallorca in 1229 and Sicily in 1282 and it remained an important power throughout the Middle Ages. In 1469, King Ferdinand of Aragon married Isabella of Castile and this union brought together the two most powerful kingdoms of Spain to create a united Spanish nation.

Asturias, which was the region of northern Spain that was birthplace of the Christian Reconquest of Spain from the Muslims. Asturias, which has a long and noble history, was colonized by the Romans who discovered Asturias to be rich in mineral deposits, particularly silver. The Romans established villas and towns, but the region was never really completely Romanized. By the 7th century, Asturias had accepted Visigothic rule, and after the defeat of the last Visigothic king and the Arab invasion of 711, it became a refuge for Visigothic nobles. They formed a court and elected the first King of Asturias, Pelayo, in 718. Very soon afterwards Pelayo organized a concerted resistance to the Muslim invaders, and won the first battle of the Christian Reconquest, at Covadonga. In the 10th century, under King Alfonso III, Asturias included most of Galicia and some of the Basque country. However, Asturias was eclipsed by the rise of Leon and Castile in the 10th century and it eventually became politically dependent on Leon. Nevertheless, Asturias has always retained its distinct cultural and linguistic character and is today one of the autonomous regions of Spain.

Castile, which was an important Christian kingdom of medieval Spain. Castile was also very important during the Christian Reconquest of Spain, when the Spanish overturned Muslim rule, and it was where the Visigothic nobles resided.

Galicia, which is located in the northwestern region of the Iberian peninsula. Galicia is a region of Spain that has a unique cultural and linguistic heritage. In medieval times, the Celts and the Swabians, who were a Germanic tribe, settled this territory. Galicia was one of the most important Christian kingdoms of medieval Spain. Galicia, which is located in the northwestern region of the Iberian peninsula. Galicia is a region of Spain that has a unique cultural and linguistic heritage. In medieval times, the Celts and the Swabians, who were a Germanic tribe, settled this territory. Galicia was one of the most important Christian kingdoms of medieval Spain. In 1139, Galicia was divided into two territories and the southern half, called Portugal, became an independent kingdom under King Afonso I. Galicia remained within the Castilian sphere of influence after Portugal separated. During the later Middle Ages, Galicia declined in power as Castile became predominant, but the unique Galician culture and language continue to this day.

The Basque country of northern Spain, which is located along the north coast of Spain, next to the western Pyrenees. The Basques, who are a pre-Roman people, have a proud and unique cultural heritage and language. The origins of the Basques remains shadowed in uncertainty although historians have attempted to link the Basques with Irish Celts, eastern European tribes or even North African peoples. The Basques were the last of the Pre-Roman tribes of Spain to accept Roman culture, laws and languages. However, they revealed no signs of Visigothic or Frankish culture. The Basques remained distinct even after the Arab invasion of 711 because they took refuge in the valleys of the western Pyrenees and waited out the early wave of Arab conquest. As the Christian Reconquest that was launched by Asturias gathered momentum, the Basques became allied with Asturias and Navarre. In 778, Charlemagne entered Spain and sacked the city of Pamplona. In revenge, the Basques attacked and annhilated his forces as they were retreating through the Pyrenean mountain pass of Roncesvalles. These events have been immortalized in the French epic poem "Chanson de Roland". After the 9th century, the Basques were politically aligned with a succession of kingdoms: Asturias, Navarre, and later Castile. Since the end of the Middle Ages and until today, the region was politically dependent on Castile. Nevertheless, the Basque language has never been lost and it is the symbol of this ancient culture that has survived so many centuries of contact and assimilation with other linguistic groups.

Valencia, which is a region located on Spain's eastern Mediterranean coast. Valencia, which was colonized and developed as a port region by the Romans, is distinguished by its proud heritage and tremendous cultural diversity. It thrived for centuries, but by 713 Valencia was completely under Muslim rule and the city became a staging point for raids further north and west into Christian Spanish lands. Rodrigo D¡az "El Cid" reconquered Valencia from the Muslims in 1094, but after his death in 1099 the Christians could not hold the city. Valencia remained in Muslim hands from 1102 until 1238, when the armies of King James I of Aragon and Catalonia "The Conqueror" claimed it once and for all for the Christians. This initiated a cultural and linguistic relationship between Catalonia and Valencia that continues to this day.

[Frank Fay]

Thanks Whismerhil :)

Camel Riders will be in the game...

The exact availability and names of the units will be revealed in the new year but I doubt that it will be any of the others you recommendet.

But I wanted to mention again that the availability of the units in KoH have nothing to do with the Kingdom / Fraction. They are bound to regions and Spain (as known today) will be divided in different regions with own units.

[Frank Fay]

Regarding the regions, KoH will feature three regions:

- Northern
- Middle European
- Mediterranian

We wont break it more down.

[Whismerhil]

Frank Fay

Regarding the regions, KoH will feature three regions:
- Northern
- Middle European
- Mediterranian



Thank you very much Frank, that sounds really exciting.

¿Do you need a spanish beta tester?:D ;)


The maps of The Reconquest:

http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/im/map1.gif

http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/im/map3.gif

http://www.orthohelp.com/geneal/im/map2.gif

[Bora]

Originally posted by Frank Fay
Thanks Whismerhil :)

Camel Riders will be in the game...

The exact availability and names of the units will be revealed in the new year but I doubt that it will be any of the others you recommendet.

But I wanted to mention again that the availability of the units in KoH have nothing to do with the Kingdom / Fraction. They are bound to regions and Spain (as known today) will be divided in different regions with own units.

well i am familliar with that in "the other medieval game" it was the same,... if france had conquered wales, then the french where able to produce the famous longbow archers from wales. so its pretty fine that its the same here :)

[Elewyn]

Originally posted by Frank Fay 02-01-2004
The exact availability and names of the units will be revealed in the new year but I doubt that it will be any of the others you recommendet.

But I wanted to mention again that the availability of the units in KoH have nothing to do with the Kingdom / Fraction. They are bound to regions and Spain (as known today) will be divided in different regions with own units.
What do you mean with new year? :D what year? ;) when? :D

It's joke, but seriously, when will you release it?...

I saw somewhere that every region wil have its special units, really?

[Cork2]

Originally posted by Elewyn
What do you mean with new year? :D what year? ;) when? :D

It's joke, but seriously, when will you release it?...

I saw somewhere that every region wil have its special units, really?


This new year 2004 sometime between the release of the game which is q2 2004 and the start of this new year.

Frank Fray wound't joke about things like that.

Yes pretty much. For instance england will have english long bowman or germany will have teutonic Knights or what ever they were called again.:cheers:

[Elewyn]

You misunderstood me.

I meant it like EVERY region like every REALM. I don't think it's so good...

Maybe there's too much special units' threads in the same time...

[Angryminer]

No, there won't be 150+ special units.
If your nation occupies a realm in England, you will be able to recruit longbowmen - if you occupy a second realm there, you will still only be able to recruit longbowmen.
The same goes with HRE, France and many other regions (I can't say nations, for we are gonna change the borders of the nations during the game).

Angryminer

[EricTheRed]

I imagine the same will go for scandanavia and the vikings as not just a culture but also as a specific unit.

[Elewyn]

Oh, again bad expression of mine.
I know that, Angryminer.
I wasn't askin' about if each realm has it's own specific spec.unit but if every realm has special unit, likeall the realms in France have templars, but all, not only few, all in England and Wales have longbowmen, or 3 have longbowmen and the rest has another specials. That's how I meant it. Clear?

[Angryminer]

Jepp.
If your country occupies any realm in france you will be able to recruit templars over there.
If your country occupies any realm in england you will be able to recruit longbowmen over there.
So yes, every realm has it's special unit. Even if the special units of some realms don't differ.

I hope it's clear now ;) .

Angryminer

[Elewyn]

That's what I'm not sure of. I've red aomewhere thet in realms of central France are templars. The same with longbowmen: in southern parts of England and in Wales, not in whole England and whole France. That's why I asked about this.

[Angryminer]

The "Templar-Realms" don't reach over whole France. Nor do the "Longbowmen-Realms" stretch across whole England.
That's all what they wanted to say.

Angryminer

[Elewyn]

Sorry, but it's sth slightly different than what you wrote above...

Maybe the devs shoul make it clear...