Crusades

[Arab Prince]

Halo all KOH fans.

I would like to ask if pope can call other christian factions for crusade as MTW?

[Angryminer]

The was no statement like "Yes, there will be crusades", but I suspect them to come (from what I've read).

Angryminer

[Quivis]

But there's no Holy Land on the map :(

[Cork2]

I think israel is in. unless thats not the holy land.

[Alex]

I think there are going to be crusades with the otoman empire and russia wallachia hungaria

[Elewyn]

I don't know if crusades will be some special option, but Holy Land, what is Palestine (today Palestine and Israel) is on the map, what is logical. Furthest on east is Armenia and Georgia (east of Palestine) and on the south it's Egypt (again south of Palestine).

But can be nice when pope would ask you to participate on crusade and if you refuse, it lower your Kingdom power and you need to pay some piety to him to reach the same level again.

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[Henrik]

Originally posted by Elewyn
But can be nice when pope would ask you to participate on crusade and if you refuse, it lower your Kingdom power and you need to pay some piety to him to reach the same level again.

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I'll agree with ya - if the pope askes for your participation in a crusade there should ofcaurse be some "penalty" if you refuse - like paying a tribute to church.

[Bagpipe]

I hope there will be precious desert landscapes:rolleyes:
and nice Arabian buildings. Mosques? Minarets?

Please:bday:

[Kortimus]

Remember there was also crusades around the Baltic.

[Henrik]

I've found some links to histoy regarding the crusades against the Baltic states - they are quite interesting:

All That: The Baltic Crusades (http://www.dragonbear.com/baltic.html)

The Baltic Crusade (http://depts.washington.edu/baltic/papers/crusades.htm)

The Crusaders (http://www.balticsww.com/Crusaders.htm) - this one includes a timeline spanning from 1180 - 1410 :go:

[Sir Turylon]

just a question for all you history buffs, would you consider the reconquesta in Spain to be considered part of the crusades? if so, that might prove to be quite a nice little side-quest. 'Relive the life of El Cid." ahh, the joys of slaughter and plunder.

[Bagpipe]

Originally posted by Kortimus
Remember there was also crusades around the Baltic.

Yep. Unfortunately, there were. But we managed to resissssst:king:

But I'm sure it's clear that we will have Baltic crusades in The Game. Only Palestinian crusades were doubtful for me.:scratch:

[Siena]

Here are some links with articles about Baltics in english:

Medieval Lithuania
http://viduramziu.lietuvos.net/en/

Historical timeline
http://www.lietuva-jums.lt/IMI/i_en.jsp?nr=istorija

Frontiers 1242 - has maps of sorts
http://www.lituanus.org/1975/75_4_01.htm

Conversion of Lithuania 1387
http://www.lituanus.org/1987/87_4_03.htm

About Jogaila - Jagiello 1350-1434
http://www.lituanus.org/1987/87_4_04.htm

Prussian Revolt in 1260
http://www.lituanus.org/1978/78_2_01.htm

[Haegemon]

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
just a question for all you history buffs, would you consider the reconquesta in Spain to be considered part of the crusades? if so, that might prove to be quite a nice little side-quest. 'Relive the life of El Cid." ahh, the joys of slaughter and plunder.

The "reconquesta"(722-1300) wasn't part of the Crusades. It was matter of local issues in history of the peninsule that also toke influence of the religious movement of Crusades.

And "the Cid"(Rodrigo Díaz de Vívar) was not a slaughterer or plunderer. :mad:
"The Cid" was the nick he got from his enemies/friends, defeated enemy leaders who alied with him. Those who he forgived against the orders of the king of Castilla (and later also León).


CRUSADES

It has been customary to describe the Crusades as eight in number:

the first, 1095-1101;
the second, headed by Louis VII, 1145-47;
the third, conducted by Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion, 1188-92;
the fourth, during which Constantinople was taken, 1204;
the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217;
the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228-29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);
the seventh, led by St. Louis, 1249-52;
the eighth, also under St. Louis, 1270.

This division is arbitrary and excludes many important expeditions, among them those of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. In reality the Crusades continued until the end of the seventeenth century, the crusade of Lepanto occurring in 1571, that of Hungary in 1664, and the crusade of the Duke of Burgundy to Candia, in 1669.

[Siena]

Crusades were declared by the pope. So if Reconquista was declared by pope, then it was a crusade.

There were crusades declared against Lithuania. Teutonic Order would not have been able to become so strong without Crusader voluinteers.
Also, there was even a crusade organised by Lithuania - after it became Christian, of course.
It was in 1399 and was against Mongols. However, it ended in disaster.

[Haegemon]

Originally posted by Siena
Crusades were declared by the pope. So if Reconquista was declared by pope, then it was a crusade.

Was not declared by any pope. It started by local motives.
Later muslims toke the peninsule from visigoths, the remnants resisted in the north long time until in northwest (cantabria) a chief-leader called "Pelayo" won a battle against the muslims (Battle of Covadonga (718 )). He was crowned king by his people and born the kingdom of Asturias.

That was the beginning of the beginning of the Reconquista.

[Siena]

so if it wasn't declared - or sanctioned by pope - then it was not an "official" crusade.
It could be called a crusade only in the broader sense...

[Haegemon]

Sir Turylon called it Crusade, but it isn't. Other way is that in last stages christians involved the term Crusade to get suports, but I'm not sure about this.

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Haegemon
The "reconquesta"(722-1300) wasn't part of the Crusades. It was matter of local issues in history of the peninsule that also toke influence of the religious movement of Crusades.

And "the Cid"(Rodrigo Díaz de Vívar) was not a slaughterer or plunderer. :mad:
"The Cid" was the nick he got from his enemies/friends, defeated enemy leaders who alied with him. Those who he forgived against the orders of the king of Castilla (and later also León).




sorry to confuse. I did not mean to call El Cid as a slaughterer and plunderer. I have read about his goings and comings, so the alst part was meant in a joking manner.

as for the Reconquesta being part of the Crusades. True, most would think of the Crusades as being sanctioned by the Pope. However, it was historically the reclaiming of Christian lands from the "infidels" as you pointed out in a later post. I consider it, none-the-less to be part of the Crusades. Just a matter of personal opinion about history.

ps. no need for hostilities.

[Haegemon]

"the reclaiming of Christian lands from the "infidels"..."

The peninsule "christians" thought they had the rights to take that lands cos "belonged to them" before the comming of muslims.

pd: no hostillities.